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メイド理世

メイド理世 (talk · contribs) uploaded lots of copyright protected content, see their talk page. After I tag this photo, File:Nanjing, 1 July 2024 (109).jpg, they cropped out the non-copyvio one and just keep the copyvio character.
Per their discussion on Commons:Deletion_requests/File:28码脚型飞机杯（右脚）_(cropped).jpg, Commons:Undeletion_requests/Current_requests#File:後藤ひとり.jpg,_File:山田リョウ、後藤ひとり.jpg,_File:山田リョウ.jpg and current behaviour, I strictly suspect this one is clearly CIR, both for using English and learning about copyright laws. Lemonaka (talk) 09:03, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

 Strong oppose, This cropped image is child pornography toys, 2. there no freedom of panorama of 2D works in china. 3. I am like the anonymous shenzhen photographers? 4. why rollbacking this empty kept category??? I does not speak the english language, i can speak chinese, fuck great firewall (GFW) banned this website. メイド理世 (talk) 06:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

以后这样我不会在这里上传2D作品了。 メイド理世 (talk) 08:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Yann they cleaned their talk pages to avoid being found they have been warned a lot. Please take action. Lemonaka (talk) 09:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

反正没事了，移动在用户讨论存档了。 メイド理世 (talk) 09:50, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Before I left the above comment, you directly removed your talk page notice, instead of archiving them. After I reported, you move it to your archive. Lemonaka (talk) 09:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't think removing talk page notices are particularly egregious offences, but they can be a sign that the user is unwilling to accept their mistakes. --SHB2000 (talk) 05:39, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

User:Assifbus

This user uploaded a [sfw] image of what they claimed was a fetishistic sex toy molded from a child’s body. They later tried to walk back on their claims and said they weren’t sure it was based on a real child and bought it for non-prurient reasons but it’s incredibly disturbing that they would mention such things in the first place. Now I might’ve (barely) let this slide as the behavior of a well-meaning eccentric who doesn’t speak good English but they have been blocked on three other wikis for disruption. I don’t think their unremarkable positive contributions justify tolerance of a known problem user who uploads appalling content that severely harms the reputation of Commons. Dronebogus (talk) 10:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

the most passive precaution must be to put this user on our watchlist. modern_primat ^{ඞඞඞ ----TALK} 15:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

User:RosaryTeam

RosaryTeam (talk · contribs) is using Commons to advertise their store for AI generated imagery. They will also revert any edit that adds the template {{PD-algorithm}} and Category:AI images generated by unidentified software to their images. Trooper57 (talk) 16:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trooper57: looks like you did not notify them of this discussion on their talk page. I will do that for you. - Jmabel ! talk 18:14, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

because it is not the case of algorithm generated, I have the Adobe InDesign vector files. RosaryTeam (talk) 19:33, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

User:Paulaencina

Upload copyvios after warning, with different file name. See File:Shirley pepe 1.png and deleted File:La shirley el pepe.jpg (deleted twice) Regards!! Ezarateesteban 21:18, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ezarate: Please remember to notify the user next time as per the instructions at the top of this page – I've done it for you this time. --SHB2000 (talk) 02:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Solomon203

Solomon203 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Evidence shows that the user intentionally violated COM:FNC. Unfortunately, TimWu007 already accepted his request and moved to new title. See: [1]. Given that Solomon203 recent contributions have made unnecessary requests for file-renaming most of which have been denied, I recommend that you temporarily stop any requests until you have a good understanding of COM:FNC.--111.253.26.42 08:47, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

@111.253.26.42, did you notice the first line of the Notes on top of this page, "Before reporting one or more users here, try to resolve the dispute by discussing with them first."? --Túrelio (talk) 10:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

The IP user is obviously Kai3952. --Solomon203 (talk) 10:52, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

 Not done Was the original name good enough? Probably (unless I'm missing something). Is there any grounds for admin action? No. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 16:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

Keylansual3882

Keylansual3882 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

The user uploads the same files again (political flags under fair use) after warnings. Taichi (talk) 04:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done 2 week block. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 04:44, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

170.233.193.150

170.233.193.150 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

This IP is vandalasing Commons. CoffeeEngineer (talk) 22:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked for 3 days. If they come back and continue to vandalize, a much longer block is in order. - Jmabel ! talk 22:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Lalchhanhima hmar Zote

Lalchhanhima hmar Zote (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Duhzuala (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Sock trying to avoid block, see Category:Sockpuppets of Chhanchhana zote hmar. Jonteemil (talk) 01:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Also Duhzuala.Jonteemil (talk) 01:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Both indef blocked. Bedivere (talk) 02:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, please also block Lalchhanhima zote hmar as yet another sock. Jonteemil (talk) 03:03, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 03:10, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

And now also Malsawmdawngzeli. Jonteemil (talk) 01:43, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

User:JopkeB

JopkeB (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

This user frequently submits the Categories for discussion (COM:CFD), but he/she seems mistakenly think that CFDs are the place for one-sided self-assertion and deletion games, and seems severely lack the efforts for sincear discussion. Even if answers are given to his/her initial questions, he/she almost always ignoring it, and repeats the same assertions and the same questions over and over again, exhausting the discussion and ultimately trying to only pass his/her own assertions. We believe that the current situation, in which a person with problematic discussion skills frequently submit COM:CFD and try to ignore dialog, is a hindrance to the autonomy of the community, so it requires appropriate guidance.

Case 1. Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/07/Category:Market exploration shops
Discussion about the purpose of the category and the addition of short description. Even the answer with reliable source and its English translation are given in intial phase, he/she didn't want to accept it, and prolonged the discussion by repeating baseless fantasies.

Case 2: Commons:Categories for discussion/2023/12/Category:Services (economics)
Based on the lesson learned from avobe Case 1, I asked this user if he/she would carefully read the other user's answer and discuss the issue in good faith, because it is an etiquette expected of everyone taking part in the discussion. However he/she avoid to respond to it, instead he/she posted his/her grievances on my talk page.

Case 3: Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/07/Category:Event spaces (venues)
Newest case in this week. While we were discussing the needs of a category without restriction of place as an extension of an existing category (limited to buildings/facilities), this user made false statements as if he/she have already discussed it on the RfD on the above existing category, and repeate the same assertion and the same question repeatedly to a question that has already been answered. In my eyes, he/she has not enough skills to discuss with other users.

I know the above discussion style is popular with some in Generation Z, but I've already been experiencing that type of argument destruction for about 30 years and am long tired of it, so I don't want to deal with this type of time wasting.　--Clusternote (talk) 09:14, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

What exactly is wrong with asking for a description of what a Commons category should include? I don't think it was clear at the start of the discussion for any of the above three? Ideally, when creating a new category, you would have taken care of that. Enhancing999 (talk) 10:33, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

You're right, it's important to provide definitions and rationales when creating categories. I prefer to provide reliable sources and relevant Wikipedia articles as evidence in this regard, and take other measures when that isn't possible. --Clusternote (talk) 01:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, Clusternote, but CfD is precisely the place to discuss a category, and it is entirely correct to bring a category to CfD if its scope is unclear. I'd consider JopkeB to be among (at most) the few dozen best contributors to Commons in capacities other than just taking and uploading pictures. You are basically asking us to censure someone for doing things right and improving Commons. And as for your generational remark, I was born in 1954. - Jmabel ! talk 19:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Media archives such as Wikimedia Commons tend to be folksonomy-oriented, and the resulting cluttered categories need to be organized; and on Wikimedia Commons where the community consensuses are respected, debates are inevitable. However, his/her argumentative skills, in which he/she ignores other user's opinions and pushes his own argument, are incompatible with a folksonomy-driven culture, and it may cause of hindrance to further development of Wikimedia Commons. His/her habit of strong-arming others and never admitting to errors in judgment as a result of his/her disregard for others' opinions needs to be corrected. The habit of ignoring the opinions of others, persistently pushing own-opinions, and never admitting the error on own opinions, are wrong, and needs to be corrected. --Clusternote (talk) 01:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I will add, I cannot recall ever seeing an uncivil comment from JopkeB, in which respect they are probably better at this than I am myself, and I don't think my conduct is usually seen as problematic. If you have an example of such a comment, please provide the appropriate diff. (Also, I literally don't know anyone who is more careful to try to spell out an apparent consensus before presuming one exists.)- Jmabel ! talk 19:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

In Cases 1-3 above, already I've provided specific examples of his problematic behavior. If you requested the detailed line-by-line diffs of problematic post, I will presented it short after. --Clusternote (talk) 01:38, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Case 1:

• 2023-07-09 12:06 post by JopkeB: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2023/07/Category:Market_exploration_shops&diff=prev&oldid=781690305

Just before this post, I've post a reliable source and summary, and the initial problem had been resolved. However, he/she did not understand its importance, and repeatedly proposed definitions that contradicted the sources, prolonging the discussion.

Case 2:

• 2023-12-12 09:16 post by me: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Categories_for_discussion/2023/12/Category:Services_(economics)&diff=prev&oldid=830118113

In the above Case 1, his/her problematic behaviour became clear (Ignoring or not understanding other users' posts, and persistently pushing clearly incorrect opinion), so I tried to confirm that he/she would observe the general etiquette of discussion that is required for all discussion participants in general, before the discussion.

• 2023-12-12 post by JopkeB: https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Clusternote&diff=prev&oldid=830174114

He/she ignored the above confirmation without realizing that he/she had no choice but to answer Yes, and exploded with frustration on the my talk page.
In general, it is impossible to debate with users who disregard the minimum etiquette of discussion.

Case 3 will be post later, because it will be slightly long. --Clusternote (talk) 02:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I don't see any problems with the discussion style of JopkeB in these examples. The suggetion to shorten the description in Case 1 is a valid suggestion, whether you like it or not. Your suggestion for the description certainly works, but this doesn't mean it can't be improved upon and the best time to try and improve it is during these kind of discussions. In Case 2 I only see a normal suggestion to discuss and possibly merge categories, to which you respond with a borderline civil question - which leads to JopkeB asking you very civilly on your talkpage to explain in more detail what behavior of them you find problematic. Again, your description of his valid question as "explodes with frustration" could be called uncivil, if anything. Kritzolina (talk) 07:09, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

 Comment @Clusternote: I don't have an issue with JopkeB in general, nor in the CfD to which you pointed. They may lack perfection, though don't we all.

The category descriptions should be as short as reasonably possible, and I would point you to those at Wikidata for items. If you want to get into a long detailed discussion and explainer, then put it onto the talk page of the category and point to it. References would belong on the talk page.  — billinghurst sDrewth 08:02, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I am shocked by this accusation. I am not aware of any harm. Thanks a lot, @Jmabel, Enhancing999, Kritzolina, and Billinghurst: for standing up for me and for the compliments. I couldn't have done my own defense any better.
For me only some personal remarks remain:

• I was born several decades before Generation Z. But even if a person who is part of this generation (or any other) has a discussion style someone else does not like, then we have to deal with that style. Unless the person is showing improper/uncivil behavior (like name-calling, discrimination, intimidation, making negative remarks about a person instead of talking about the content), everybody may discuss the way (s)he likes. If you do not agree with a statement, summary, conclusion or proposal, just say so and make a better one or propose a correction.
• I prefer to be referred to as she/her.

--JopkeB (talk) 09:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

In a normal community, general discussion etiquette requires participants to (1) read and understand the opinions of others, and (2) respond to them in good faith. This is a confirmation of the basic rules of discussion, so agreeing with them is the starting point of the discussion. Conversely, if a user could not agree with them, then that user was considered unfit to be a discussion participant in general. However, this seems to be not the case here at Wikimedia Commons. In Case 3, there is a breach of etiquette in which the answer to the question is ignored and the same question is asked repeatedly, but for some reason this is not considered a problem here at Wikimedia Commons. It is as if some mysterious implicit discussion rule is being applied.

As ordinary people, we base our lives on the general society, not on the internet society where we are constantly fighting, so we dislike being bothered by discussions with unusual discussion rules. I have already seen this kind of problem in several Wikipedia Projects in several languages, which caused me to abandon these projects. On the other hand, I had thought that tha fact Wikimedia Commons has fewer such disadvantages is a great virtue, but this assumption seems to have already collapsed. This is a very unfortunate situation. --Clusternote (talk) 09:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I still don't get your problem. Yes, reading and understanding and then responding in good faith is a basis for civil discussions here and elsewhere. But where exactly do you see a breach of that? Can you give a difflink? Also ... if you saw this kind of problems on several other projects ... did you ever try and work on your end of the communications? Kritzolina (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

User:El Luchadorio

El Luchadorio (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

User uploaded numerous insignias of Ukrainian cities. All of the files were licensed as Russian official insignias. In some cases, El Luchadorio named files improperly, so there is no clear indication that images depict insignias under Russian military occupation. Those can be mistakenly used as Ukrainian insignias. In other cases, images depict official Ukrainian insignias with no clear explanation of how those became Russian insignias. For example, today user uploaded file, which duplicates original Ukrainian flag, and now Ukrainian government website listed as a source for Russian official insignia. User also tried to replace license template for already existing files. Yesterday I talked to user about the issue, but new upload indicates that problem remains. Siradan (talk) 10:24, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I'll change the license. El Luchadorio (talk) 10:30, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Everything is fixed. El Luchadorio (talk) 10:35, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

But now File:Flag of Selidovo.svg duplicates original file File:Флаг Селидово.svg. Moreover, I checked the source, which you enlisted for your file, and it depicts a different flag. Siradan (talk) 10:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

And you did no changes for files like File:Flag of Soledar.svg Siradan (talk) 10:55, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

The Soledar flag is not used in articles. OK, I'll rewrite the selidovo flag, according to the source. El Luchadorio (talk) 11:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't matter if uploaded files are used anywhere at the moment. As long as files remain on the platform, descriptions (especially licenses) must be correct. Siradan (talk) 11:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

OperationSakura6144

Noting for fellow administrators that I have flagged for the third time to the user OperationSakura6144 that their actions in requesting speedy deletion of redirects and unexact duplicates is out of scope. This person does not engage in questions or seeking assistance. I have two options if they continue, either to block, or to inhibit their use of certain templates. This is among either category moves that seem occasionally to occur without community consultation. FYI @Túrelio: who has been servicing some of this user's requests.  — billinghurst sDrewth 05:46, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I'd support a longer block than their previous ones Bedivere (talk) 06:13, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

User:AshleyYakan

• AshleyYakan (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Copyvio. Last photo was stolen from Associated Press--Trade (talk) 02:49, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked for 1 month by Bedivere. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 06:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Lighthumormonger

Greetings, I tagged a few uploads by Lighthumormonger (talk · contribs) as "no permission" or copyright violations.

Unfortunately, LHM appears to be engaged in a deceptive practice of representing the Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) and misrepresenting Commons policies and copyright guidelines.

This email exchange was cited as a grant of permission from "Intuitive Machines, Inc." to grant a public domain license to Commons for a specific photo. It grants no such license.

The original author of the email claims to be an "administrator of the Wikipedia Editors Guild" and a blurb appears to disclaim direct affiliation with WMF, but nevertheless, the respondent appears to believe that the WEG is the WMF, or a part thereof.

The requests from the author of the email discourage any claim of ownership on the photo in question. This seems to be a serious misrepresentation of our licensing and permissions. Perhaps we may discourage watermarking, but this is a bridge too far.

Lighthumormonger is not, as far as I'm aware, a member of COM:VRT or anyone directly responsible for obtaining licenses for media on Commons. It's not clear why this was a private exchange and not sent to VRT as is required by Commons policies. This sort of "third party arrangement" is something that VRT doesn't permit.

Meanwhile, on Metawiki, I had some exchange with this editor about the alleged "WEG" and its presence. These questions were not answered to my satisfaction, but who am I to judge? Elizium23 (talk) 10:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm just trying to improve WP one edit at a time here. If Elizium23 would like to discuss any more with me about any of this, my Wikimedia user talk page is open to him for a 'mutually respectful' conversation anytime. Lighthumormonger (talk) 14:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Current evidence and discussions here on Commons include:

1. File talk:Odysseus-lander-at-30-degree-angle-on-moon.jpg
2. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Lunar-south-pole--with-malapert-a-crater.jpg
3. Commons:Deletion requests/File:Nasa--methalox-rocket-launch.jpg

Elizium23 (talk) 20:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Is this a little vendetta against me Elizium? You can delete whatever you want, and that's ok with me. I thought you told the Sysop over at Meta you didn't want any drama? Lighthumormonger (talk) 23:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

There's nothing personal, mate, and I wouldn't describe this as "vendetta", but you do you.

You're an excessively polite and considerate writer and every communication you make exudes professional courtesy. Unfortunately for me, I scratched the surface of that façade and found only deception, falsifications and evasiveness. I've identified several situations where you've led people to believe the wrong thing, and these situations pertain to legal, copyright issues and issues that may concern the WMF themselves.

Unfortunately your case is difficult for most admins to correlate and track because you're spreading yourself across several wikis, and conducting off-wiki activities as well. I'm hoping to round up all the relevant evidence so that your case can be examined properly by someone with authority. So I'm just a middleman here.

Anyway, you asked me today to stay off your "user page" but since you're being evasive regarding exactly how to contact you, you'll need to clarify which pages you mean? Commons only? All your talk pages? Should I also avoid contacting your alleged "Wikipedia Editors Guild" email address at Yahoo? You've already pinged me against my express request to cease and desist (I thought I muted you, but it broke through anyway). If I want to delete more of your stuff in the future, you're cool with not knowing about that? Elizium23 (talk) 23:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Whatever. Lighthumormonger (talk) 23:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

No, really, I hope y'all can understand my confusion, because you're directing me and others all over the place: your Commons talk page says you don't want to use it, and your User page on Meta says that your User talk page belongs to "The Wikipedia Editors Guild" and you're directing everyone else there. SO is that your personal page, or do you share it with other alleged WEG "admins"? You didn't want to discuss much on there, though, directing me to a seemingly personal freemail account: "light.humor(at)yahoo.com". Do you likewise share that account with the rest of your WEG buddies? I've got to admit that you designed a really cool official logo. It fooled the CEO of a space exploration company! Sadly, nobody is able to contact you at your parked domain "wikipediaeditorsguild.net". So how does one get ahold of you? Inquiring minds want to know. Elizium23 (talk) 23:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Whatever. Please leave me alone. Delete whatever you want. I'm sure you will save the world from me. Lighthumormonger (talk) 00:54, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

User Saadfghjkl998877665599

• Saadfghjkl998877665599 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions): Posts much nonsense, abusive use of deletion requests, vandalism; several other violations against guidelines --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 10:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked by Achim55. Yann (talk) 14:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Amar67

• Amar67 (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Uploads blatant advertisement files and when File:Silver's Product Ranges.png they reuploaded it to File:Group 1.png. Jonteemil (talk) 20:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked them as a spam-only account. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposed interaction ban between Dronebogus and Just Step Sideways

In my closing of this Administrators' noticeboard thread, I asked the Just Step Sideways and Dronebogus to stop interacting with each other, and offered that I'd propose a formal interaction ban if either party asked, though I hoped it wouldn't be necessary. Dronebogus asked for the ban, so I'm proposing it here, even though Commons doesn't have a formal IBAN system.

Proposal 1 - Just Step Sideways and Dronebogus are under a two-way interaction ban. In addition to the examples in the linked page, they are explicitly not to nominate each other's uploads for deletion or comment in DRs started by each other. This ban is indefinite until repealed through a similar thread on this noticeboard.

I'm not sure if there's a better alternative; I'm open to suggestions as long as the sniping stops. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Votes (Proposed interaction ban between Dronebogus and Just Step Sideways)

•  Support as nominator. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 22:31, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support as original proposer. Dronebogus (talk) 22:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose how about Dronebogus just takes down his porn hmmm? Elinruby (talk) 22:44, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  Noting commentator has been blocked for incivility. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 13:23, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose  Comment Two discussions over two years does not make an IBAN-worthy problem. Both users should stop being dicks to each other, and one of them should probably stop uploading dicks to Commons if they want to avoid this in the future. casualdejekyllcommons 22:47, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  So you’re essentially endorsing what JSS is attempting to do here, which is use canvassing and bullying to force me into obeying the opinions of his clique on WPO? Dronebogus (talk) 22:50, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  I'm getting really tired of your accusations. You keep personally attacking me in defense of your cartoon porn, I shouldn't be subject to these lies and abuse. I nominated those images for deletion because they are outside of the scope of Commons, and for no ther reason. There was no canvassing and there certainly shopuldn't be any sort of sanction on me just because I opened a couple of deletion discussions. This is ridiculous. Just Step Sideways (talk) 22:54, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  Everyone's being a complete asshole here and I don't like it. And you're not immune to that "everyone". But I think the goal of an IBAN here could be achieved just as easily with warning templates - there's just not a pattern of disruption here. casualdejekyllcommons 22:56, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  To use a cliche, JSS started it and has been consistently worse. I’ve made a few snide remarks but JSS is using every opportunity to double, triple, and quadruple down on insulting or inflammatory comments. Dronebogus (talk) 23:01, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  I agree that JSS is the worse-behaving of the pair of you, but that doesn't excuse your contributions. Also, asking for a formal IBAN and then continuing to throw fuel on the fire *really* isn't a good look. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 23:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  I know, but put yourself in my shoes: I’m being trailed by a bunch of people who won’t stop picking on me. I’m a little on edge here. Dronebogus (talk) 23:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  You are the one who has accused me of canvassing and hounding, I've made no such accusations at you. I just don't think it is the purpose of Commons to host crude anime drawings of futas jizzing on their own faces or Wikipe-tan as a sex object. This is not your personal fantasy playground. Just Step Sideways (talk) 23:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  @Dronebogus: (ec) I'm here because you were whining about this on my talk page at English Wikipedia, after posting 60+ times to ANI in defense of your buddy. You canvassed me yourself. The thing is, I am not down. Elinruby (talk) 23:07, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  Lightburst is not my buddy. Dronebogus (talk) 23:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  Oh. Elinruby (talk) 23:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  Just “oh”? Dronebogus (talk) 23:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  Seems surprising. So too is reporting me to ANI at English Wikipedia for commenting here. Don't canvass me to your Commons proceedings if you don't want me here Elinruby (talk) 23:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• This really should be a non-issue. I don't think the high crime of "being a bit of a dick" deserves a public name-and-shame. But this has clearly failed the heat-and-light standard. Users can and have agreed with both JSS's and Dronebogus's perspectives on these images, and they can express their opinions without slinging mud. I've struck my Oppose in recognition of the severe tendentiousness displayed here, but I think a more appropriate sanction would be some kind of anti-bludgeoning restriction. casualdejekyllcommons 23:20, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

  One: there’s this thing we have called W:WP:DICK (more formally Commons:Civility) that I think is kind of important. Two: is an “anti-bludgeoning restriction” really all that different from an interaction ban? Dronebogus (talk) 23:26, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support I am not a participant in this spat, but it has been pretty exhausting to watch. I will also, again, note to the closer of this that Elinruby and casualdejekyll are both posting in the Wikipediocracy thread, where fairly recently Beeblebrox posted a plea for backup. Well, I'm sure it was just an innocent mistake that both of them failed to mention this at all! Anyway, here's Beebs' post:

He's now calling for me to be banned from Commons, accusing me of hounding him for two discussions two years apart, and insisting that you guys told me to nominate the cartoon porn for deletion, while basically refusing to discuss why shitty porn cartoons are within the scope of Commons stated purpose.

All of which is totally on-brand.

As far as I can tell, the idea is that Beebs did nothing wrong, he's just going to keep being extremely hostile, for basically no reason other than teh lulz, then when he gets in trouble for it he will just go mewl on WPO, in the hopes that other users there will come here and bail him out. I see no reason to suspect that he has any interest whatsoever in stopping this or toning it down: being a WPO user means he is better than everyone else, should not have to follow the rules. JPxG (talk) 23:28, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Consider discussing the substance of my comments rather than claiming that I'm part of some Wikipediocracy cabal. casualdejekyllcommons 23:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Consider how it feels to be a Commons user who finds out while we're trying to have a discussion, a half dozen of the discussers are having their own private discussion on a private site, and then get massively defensive when anyone says anything about it. If there's a thread on a particular user on WPO, then behavior against that user on Commons by WPO users does have a feel of organized harassment.--Prosfilaes (talk) 01:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

It's not a private discussion. It may be moved to the members-only section at some point, but for now you can read it here and assess for yourself the truth value of JPxG's claims. 91.85.220.117 04:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

So, just so we're clear, if I found out about Dronebobus' uploads from reading a thread on WPO, that's horrible canvassing, but when you find out about this discussion the exact same way it's totally cool? Just Step Sideways (talk) 23:32, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Like I said, I would never think to accuse an esteemed user such as yourself of a crime so horrible as canvassing! I am merely accusing you of posting regular updates on Wikipediocracy, in a thread named "User:Dronebogus, WP:BLUDGEON, and why there's so much porn on Commons", to announce the latest actions you've taken in your dispute with Dronebogus. Is this not true? JPxG (talk) 00:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Casualdejekyll: JPxG has stepped in to once again declare that being a user of Wikipediocracy automagically makes your arguments discountable. Well, no, I didn't declare that, because that would have been fucking dumb. In fact, I didn't even say that your comments should be discounted at all, the only thing I declared was the mere fact that you had come here from WPO. The only one saying that this necessarily invalidates them seems to be you. JPxG (talk) 00:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

You're really raising that civility bar with these comments, way to go. Just Step Sideways (talk) 18:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose The out-of-scope cartoon porn appears to have been nominated in good faith. That request should be judged on its own merits. This interaction ban misses the mark by a mile. Balph Eubank (talk) 23:30, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I really hate being lied about. I posted to that thread *after* @Dronebogus: posted to my talk page about these threads here. Maybe he should not tell me about his porn travails on Commons if he does not want me to comment on them. But since we are here, why is it exactly that this stuff is hosted on a WMF server? Enquiring minds want to know. Elinruby (talk) 23:48, 14 July 2024 (UTC) PS: Screenshots available if needed in reference to timestamps. Elinruby (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support Abzeronow (talk) 00:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
• oppose I agree: just take the porn down and nobody gets, um, their knickers in a knot. 2600:4040:2789:D600:3AC2:2929:116D:97C9 00:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Not to insinuate anything but I’ve been getting a lot of random IPs cropping up in relation to this. Seems kind of… “sus”, as the kids say Dronebogus (talk) 00:55, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  You can hardly blame people for that when you are seeking interaction bans and making ANI reports about people who don't see why you can't host your kiddie porn (that just happens to represent pubescent children) on your own hardware. Elinruby (talk) 01:30, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Elin, you should retract that statement about CSAM immediately. Consider this a formal warning. Abzeronow (talk) 01:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

{(ping|Abzeronow}} I am just now back online. I see you are an administrator, to whom I would normally give great deference in the same way that I would not argue with a traffic cop in the moment, merely take to court if needed. However I do not know what a CSAM is. Could you please indulge a newbie to Commons processes and explain that? I myself see a clearly false insinuation that is invalid on its face. What am I looking at wrong here? PS, my name is not Elin. If you do not want to type out all the syllables please use "El". Elinruby (talk) 04:49, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

CSAM stands for child sexual abuse material. Abzeronow was saying that your previous comment was inappropriate. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:00, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

AHA, he is saying it isn't actually kiddie porn? I disagree, but have stricken the word "kiddie". Is there a definition or policy somewhere about this that I could review please? Elinruby (talk) 05:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Abzeronow: I've blocked Elinruby for 2 days for this continuation after your warning. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 05:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I also agree with your statement regarding Dronebogus " Also, asking for a formal IBAN and then continuing to throw fuel on the fire *really* isn't a good look." This is definitely a messy thread. Abzeronow (talk) 17:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• For the record, that was an accidental edit-while-logged-out. I am not going to make a link between my user and an IP address so you'll have to take that on faith. And if you're feeling persecuted, you might want to consider the possibility that you've done things that are attracting a lot of attention. The easiest solution for you is to stop doing them. 2600:4040:2789:D600:D1BD:C4C8:3764:EA52 15:22, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Support --Bedivere (talk) 02:09, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support --Mazbel (Talk) 03:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support --Kritzolina (talk) 06:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 06:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support --Cavarrone (talk) 06:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  I am a little puzzled that people are supporting this despite there being no actual procedure for interaction bans on Commons, and also that they are just voting but not explaining their position. Very odd. Just Step Sideways (talk) 07:20, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  IAR (under a different name) applies here too. If you can dream up a sanction, I see no reason why it wouldn't be a valid one. And people are just sick of the whole "your porn sucks" schtick at this point, I think. casualdejekyllcommons 14:15, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose As noted, there is no formal mechanism for IBans of any colour here. If there was, the community would have already established a method of preventing one party from being able to effectively impose it on another merely by request. Which is what's happening here. Somewhat unilaterally. Serial Number 54129 (talk) 07:16, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  This is borderline wikilawyering. We don't need formal procedures for everything. There are some examples at Commons:Editing restrictions of topic bans and upload bans which the community imposed even though we don't have formal TBAN procedures. The conditions if implemented are also clearly defined at the top of this section. Community consensus (as is being shown here) is good enough. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 10:33, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose. Per Elinruby and Balph Eubank💚Kelly The Angel (Talk to me)💚
•  Oppose per Eubank; I fail to see how JSS's DRs are out of line or harassment. Queen of Hearts (talk) 08:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support: Reading the admin noticeboard discussion and deletion discussion, I just see incivility after incivility from JSS. For instance, their inflammatory tone saying "shitty cartoon porn you love so much". Then they double down and state "[their] interest in terrible cartoon porn is a you problem". Then they make a retaliatory Wikipediocracy thread per JPxG where they state they did nothing wrong? Clear refusal to understand the issue. This should have deserved a temporary incivility block at the very least to prevent further wastage of the community's time. Again, the DR is not the issue but the combatitibe attitude which has resulted in disputes. But an IBAN is still fine. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 10:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  In the interest of total transparency (be never it said I lack honor) JSS wasn't the OP of that thread, it was some other guy -- JSS just posted in it. On all other points, I agree. JPxG (talk) 14:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• Also, some have pointed out Commons has no formal IBAN procedure. However this is just wikilawyering. The IBAN conditions have been clearly defined at the top of this section. We once banned a user from uploading even though we have no formal upload ban procedure, and we banned a user from deletion even though we have no formal TBAN procedure. We don't need to formally define everything. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 10:27, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Support as per TSC and Matrix above. Yann (talk) 12:12, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• For the record, I blocked Special:Contributions/2600:4040:2789:D600:0:0:0:0/64 for a week. Just IP trolling. Yann (talk) 16:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment There wasn't much of a de-adminship policy back when I started a discussion that ended in bit removal. If it's a good idea, and it isn't forbidden by policy, there's no reason not to see if an iban here can help matters. I have no particular opinion at this point whether one should be imposed, I just wanted to respond to the "no formal mechanism" comments above. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 17:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
•  Oppose Relatively few interactions between the two. JSS's nominations seem to be caused by legitimate reasons (which, incidentally, I agree with), not just to spite DroneBogus. Dilettante (talk) 17:31, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

• I think we should restrict voting to active accounts. Dilettante above has only 3 contributions on Commons. Yann (talk) 17:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  I won't argue too strongly, since, ultimately, who should opine should be up to commons regulars. I was brought here by an enwiki ANI thread, so you can strike this or ignore me if you'd like.

  However, my view is that Commons has no formalized IBAN policy; the policy conditions are being borrowed from enwiki, as evinced by the original post. As such, enwiki users might have some relevant experience with what warrants an IBAN. Dilettante (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  I don’t have a problem with non-regulars voting, but I do think those with relevant experience (such as local admins) should receive more weight Dronebogus (talk) 17:41, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  User:Just Step Sideways/Not really? casualdejekyllcommons 18:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

  Pretty much. Your opinion counts for only half if you are not of the body. Just Step Sideways (talk) 18:17, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

 Comment I have trouble taking Dronebogus's comments at face value when they do things like creating a redirect for "male privates.jpg" and pointing it at an image of soldiers in a marching band. Those don't seem like the actions of someone who is serious about what they are doing. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 19:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

It’s an image of privates, who are male. It’s kind of a joke but it’s also showing what it says, and is a redirect of an overused title used for uploading dick pics. Dronebogus (talk) 19:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dronebogus It's not "kind of a joke". It's nothing other than a joke. A joke which you decided to make today, in the middle of all this. And immediately after you replied to my comment here you went directly to a deletion discussion that I started over a month ago and voted against my view. I question whether you have a the judgment and maturity to contribute productively here. Counterfeit Purses (talk) 19:53, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I think you’re making an inordinately huge deal over a slightly questionable gag very few people would ever notice and an innocent, civil vote in an open deletion debate. I looked at your contributions, was bemused by the title, and checked out the discussion. No bad faith whatsoever I assure you. Dronebogus (talk) 19:58, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Let's not question people's judgement or maturity here because it could lead to uncomfortable conclusions. Because not only does Commons have different standards for content, apart from, say, enwiki, but contributors are judged in different dimensions. Dronebogus is currently being defended by at least 4-5 Commons administrators, in a dispute against @Just Step Sideways, who is no spring chicken, and those administrators are willing to block, sanction, and silence other experienced editors for casting aspersions on the quality, maturity, or legality of the uploads of someone who joined Commons less than 2 years ago. Not insulting him personally, that is, but making value judgements about his activity and contributions to this project. Which project is a free media repository distributing educational content to the whole world. Elizium23 (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

This isn’t about quality or maturity, let alone legality. It’s about JSS going out of his way to make inflammatory remarks. You can nominate anything I upload for deletion, but you don’t have to tell me how awful and evil and disgusting it is 5 million times. Dronebogus (talk) 20:08, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Speaking of folks going out of their way, I've examined your user page and your uploads, and I regret that they ever entered my eyes or browser cache.

I've defended Wikipedia from trolls, vandals, and tendentious editors for 17 years and so I struggle, in this case, assuming good faith, much less assuming that you're working alone, or that this is your first account.

Your user page smells like a 15-year-old boy's carefully-curated sock drawer. Your contributions are awful, evil, and disgusting. Elinruby's comments are 100% correct and accurate.

You're complaining about how others are treating you -- and Commons administrators are defending you from that treatment -- but is anyone really surprised at these reactions, considering how we're being triggered and manipulated here? Elizium23 (talk) 20:19, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

I think I’ll listen to the ~5 admins over your baseless aspersions and borderline personal attacks. Dronebogus (talk) 20:25, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@Dronebogus: Since I started this thread - at your request, I should note - you have continually escalated the situation through your apparent need to argue with every single commenter, every single time, as well as your decision to throw aspirations at other participants here and on other pages. I am strongly recommending that you disengage, as it has become increasingly clear that, whatever the culpability Just Step Sideways had in kicking off this mess, the bulk of the blame for its continued degradation lies on you. Please consider this a formal warning that your interactions with other users on and about this thread have become disruptive. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 20:26, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

Sorry. Dronebogus (talk) 20:28, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

@The Squirrel Conspiracy: I think you may have meant "aspersions". We all have aspirations when we breathe.   — 🇺🇦Jeff G. ツ please ping or talk to me🇺🇦 00:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

•  there is no policies about that! lets make do actions according to book. modern_primat ^{ඞඞඞ ----TALK} 22:10, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Oppose, these are legitimate nominations of highly sexualised images of clearly very youthful, bordering on juvenile, fictional characters. They serve no educational value. On their enwiki userpage Dronebogus claims Wikipe-tan is their Waifu, and these images seem to have been uploaded for user's personal gratification. 1.152.111.98 23:32, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment I've blocked Dronebogus for continuing to escalate this after being warned to disengage. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 00:00, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  I accept that many of you felt my comments went too far, that's a fair criticism. I don't accept that an interaction ban is the correct response, because Dronebogus has demonstrated here in this very thread that they have some behavioral issues that come out when their creations are criticized, and the uploads I nominated for deletion, regardless of the tone of my remarks about the, are clearly outside of Commons' scope.

  That being said I'm not any more interested in going through all this again than any of you are, so I won't be nominating his uploads for deletion in the future. Hopefully someone else will be paying attention if and when he makes such uploads or creates weird redirects for his own amusement in the future. Just Step Sideways (talk) 02:24, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

•  Comment: Would an interaction ban prevent a clean start of any of the involved users? RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:22, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

  The whole point of a clean start is to "recogni[se] past mistakes and avoid[] harassment". If the new account simply edited in new topic areas (for Dronebogus this means not uploading any more sexualised images, for JSS this is not nominating Dronebogus' uploads) and didn't do past mistakes then this is fine. We don't really have a policy on clean starts anyway. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 05:27, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

Chhanchhana zote picture

• Chhanchhana zote picture (talk · contributions · Statistics · Recent activity · block log · User rights log · uploads · Global account information) (assign permissions)

Yet another obvious sock of Category:Sockpuppets of Chhanchhana zote hmar. Jonteemil (talk) 10:38, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

 Done Blocked. Yann (talk) 12:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)